6% for 60 Years
I used the Scenario Surfer to see if I could withdraw 6% for 60 years.
The Scenario Surfer
The Scenario Surfer is an advanced Monte Carlo simulator for training purposes. It can be used for accumulation and withdrawal stages alike. It has two forms of Mean Reversion. It allows you to vary your allocation in accordance with valuations (i.e., Professor Robert Shiller’s P/E10).
The Scenario Surfer uses a traditional S&P500/TIPS investment mix.
Approach
I followed the approach found in Long Retirements and the Scenario Surfer. I started with a P/E10=26 Bear Market. I started with an initial balance of $1. I waited until P/E10 fell below 16.0 before investing $100000. To do this, I made a negative withdrawal. I withdrew $6000. That is, I entered the net amount of ($94000). I withdrew $6000 in all of the years that followed.
I alternated between P/E10=26 Bear Market and P/E10=8 Normal Market conditions according to the instructions in Long Retirements and the Scenario Surfer.
I continued until I went bankrupt or reached Year 60.
My general approach relied heavily on my past learning with the Scenario Surfer. It depended on my experience with Latch and Hold.
Long Retirements and the Scenario Surfer
Data
Run 1.
Year with the deposit: 9 P/E10 at deposit year: 10.8 Year at bottom turning point: 12 Balance at turning point: 93,842 Number of years: 3
Year at next turning point (peak): 26 P/E10 at turning point: 21.4 Balance at turning point: 414,029 Cumulative number of years: 29
Year at next turning point (valley): 23 P/E10 at turning point: 9.0 Balance at turning point: 585,984 Cumulative number of years: 52
Final Year (rising): 8 P/E10: 13.2 Final balance: 1,580,825 Cumulative number of years: 60
Run 2.
Year with the deposit: 11 P/E10 at deposit year: 13.9 Year at bottom turning point: 19 Balance at turning point: 85,211 Number of years: 8
Year at next turning point (peak): 23 P/E10 at turning point: 31.0 Balance at turning point: 275,336 Cumulative number of years: 31
Year at next turning point (valley): 5 P/E10 at turning point: 8.9 Balance at turning point: 234,581 Cumulative number of years: 36
Year at next turning point (peak): 20 P/E10 at turning point: 22.7 Balance at turning point: 1,312,150 Cumulative number of years: 56
Final Year (falling): 4 P/E10: 13.0 Final balance: 1,312,150 Cumulative number of years: 60
Run 3.
Year with the deposit: 4 P/E10 at deposit year: 14.4 Year at bottom turning point: 16 Balance at turning point: 62,576 Number of years: 12
Year at next turning point (peak): 12 P/E10 at turning point: 19.1 Balance at turning point: 110,194 Cumulative number of years: 24
Year at next turning point (valley): 12 P/E10 at turning point: 6.3 Balance at turning point: 45,014 Cumulative number of years: 36
Year at next turning point (peak): 14 P/E10 at turning point: 34.1 Balance at turning point: 28,156 Cumulative number of years: 50
Final Year (falling): 6 P/E10: 31.4 Final balance: bankrupt Cumulative number of years: 56
Run 4.
Intermediate balance: 73,929 Intermediate balance: 162,161 Intermediate balance: 140,135 Intermediate balance: 808,662 Intermediate balance: 911,256 Final balance: 1,720,327 Cumulative number of years: 60
Run 5.
Intermediate balance: 63,552 Intermediate balance: 78,091 Final balance: bankrupt Cumulative number of years: 47
Discussion
These results are comparable to the 30 Year Reasonably Safe Withdrawal Rate (see Year 30 SWR button on the left) with a high stock allocation. However, they last longer and they begin with a long lasting (secular) Bear Market, not a Normal Market.
In no circumstance did I adjust withdrawals as a response to unfavorable market conditions. An early retiree could reasonable start with a withdrawal rate of 6% with the intent of making adjustments later, as needed. Alternatively, he could withdraw 5% or 5.5% for a few years, increasing his withdrawals later as his nest egg grows.
The long term withdrawal rate is higher than we would calculate using independent 30 year segments. This happens because there are bull markets between the bear markets.
Have fun.
John Walter Russell February 14, 2009
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